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The Good Life 4U2
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Posted: Tue Jan 10th, 2006 01:07 am |
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Gold Calling is taking the Heavy-Hitter promtion techniques by storm?
Have you heard about Gold Calling? An online autodialer that dials as many prospects as you want, gives them a voice mail overview, directs them to your online movie, product, lead capture, company website, etc. Where you simply sift, sort, and get signups without lifting very many fingers.
And if you do lift a finger, these people have called you first and are expecting your call.
I am thinking about getting the software soon as it will also integrate the prospects dialed into your personal online prospect manager. WOW!
Please tell of your experience here in this thread with regard to Gold Calling...know someone using it? Good results. Bad results. Anything is good to post here.
I really want to know all about your experiences before making the buying decision.
Thanks a Million.
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TonyRush3
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Posted: Tue Jan 10th, 2006 01:08 pm |
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This has become a hot topic on several forums. I haven't bought it so let me be 100% upfront and say that I have no experience with it.
Let me point out something that most GoldCalling reps do not. When you hear about some lady (usually Pam B.) who is blasting out 2,000 messages a day and getting 40 callbacks that's impressive. But, you have to understand that depends ENTIRELY on the quality of her outgoing message -- NOT the Goldcalling system itself.
In other words, as a delivery system, Goldcalling will be doing its job if it:
-- adequately delivers messages
-- makes and keeps a good connection while delivering the message
-- accurately scrubs the call list against the DNC list and the city/states where autodialing is illegal
-- bills you correctly for the number of successful calls.
That's it. No one can guarantee that you'll get calls back simply because your outgoing message is up to YOU. If you load a crappy message, you'll get crappy results no matter how great the system operates.
Just something to keep in mind....
Tony
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FreedomFire
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Posted: Tue Jan 10th, 2006 02:31 pm |
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Sounds good...at first glance. But be very careful about whether you decide to use it for your business. Look past the hype and excitement and make a practical evealuation on what makes business sense...to YOU.
Simply put....a tool is a tool is a tool. Nothing more....nothing less. Whether it's a MLM leads source, article blaster, or online autodialer system like Gold Calling. Any success applying it in your business efforts is ultimately only as good as your skill in using it...and the tools ability to deliver on it's basic promise.
For example...using a MLM leads source is only as good as your ability to contact, engage, qualify, follow-up, and close those leads you receive. Period.
Another example...an article blaster is only as good as your ability to write quality articles, as well as the quality of the article directories the articles you've sweated over are submitted to. Then...publishers need to see the value of actually publishing those articles you've written.
An online autodialer like Gold Calling is no different. There are many practical considerations to understand....and be able to adequately deal with....before making any decision on whether to use it or not.
One aspect I want to point out...and make sure you are all aware of..is to make sure you are comfortable with the aspect of "scrubbing the call list against the DNC list". Just 1 mistake doing this can cost you dearly. The fine for a single DNC complaint is not cheap....
Tony Rush puts this all in perspective specific to Gold Calling. Read what he says closely....it's very sound advice. If your personal evaluation of Gold Calling passes muster with that advice in mind....then go for it. If not....then don't.
God Bless,
Michael
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Posted: Tue Jan 10th, 2006 06:21 pm |
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Personally I dont think Gold Calling is anything new. It is just an auto-dialer for your computer that uses caller ID to identify people and pulls up there file. If you are already using a program like ACT or even Outlook to keep track of contacts you can simply pull them up yourself by looking at callerID, or just ask whos calling.
Not to mention the fact that I personally get 5-6 calls a day on my home phone from auto dialers. You can tell they are recordings, and I hang up on every one. In my opinion, if someone can not take the time to call you and talk to you in person, they are not worth MY time. You have to think about it from there point of view, not yours.
Yes, you can make lots of calls. But who really wants to listen to someones recording. When someone answers there phone, the first thing that they think is "Who is this, and why are the calling". Your auto dialer tells them "This is a recording, and im calling because I want you to take YOUR time to call me back because im to busy to talk to you". I would never use a system like them. It is impersonal, and hyped up BS.
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The Good Life 4U2
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Posted: Wed Jan 11th, 2006 01:26 am |
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I am leaning more toward getting this. I am fairly good at writing scripts and phone sales. It's what I do.
I agree with the comments in this thread. It is a tool that is as good as its user. I am used to making 150 a day, If I can do this with the click of a mouse, then for me this is probably going to be well worth the investment and once I have a good hard-hitting results pulling message that can be delivered flawlessly everytime....wow. the possibilities....LOL.
I am curious still, what the experiences have been to someone who has used Gold Calling and the methodologies used.
Are you out there? ....
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Posted: Wed Jan 11th, 2006 04:06 am |
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I am using Gold calling and it has my phone ringing like never before ( like 36 calls in 24 hours). None of the people who have called me back had any idea that I did not personally leave the message.
I have alreay met some fantastic, high caliber people from my very first campaign. I'm very excited about this software - its a whole new ballgame. And I'm only just getting started.
Sure, I know I have good posture, so it'll work a heck of alot better for me than for someone who doesnt
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Posted: Wed Jan 11th, 2006 05:22 am |
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Am I the only one who thinks this system is blown way out of proportion? Maybe I dont understand what this software does exactly...
On their site is says never buy leads again...WHY would you never need to buy leads again? I dont understand. Can someone upload a screenshot of this software?
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Posted: Wed Jan 11th, 2006 11:27 am |
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I have PM you a link to a video demonstration of the software.
The package contains 3.5 mil leads and you get an additonal 25,000 leads every week for a year. So you do not need to buy leads for the year.
I also generate my own leads for free.
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FreedomFire
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Posted: Wed Jan 11th, 2006 01:30 pm |
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My friend Glenn Garnes made this comment about Gold Calling in another Forum. I think it's worth sharing here and adding to the repository of ideas and dialogue on the subject.
God Bless,
Michael
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I've evaluated the Gold Calling software and my only concern is the one you expressed with the DNC, and other FTC regs that bar you from using a voice broadcast system to contact people with whom you don't already have a business relationship. This tool would be great for contacting customers or people you know about special promotions or opportunities, if they are already your customer, but as a tool for prospecting people who have no previous relationship with you, it's dangerous in my opinion.
Technologically, it's a great tool. It combines a database with VoIP service that automatically pops up the contact record of the person calling you back, so you can immediately see where you left off with that person, and all their contact data. Because it runs on your laptop it's a nice way to stay in touch with your business without staying tethered to your desk.
If you used it to follow up with prospects on your warmlist, or people who have requested additional information about your opportunity through some other means, I think it could be good. But, I wouldn't risk "voice spamming" people and incurring the wrath of the regulators.
Obviously, your success with a tool like this depends on the quality of your message and your opportunity. That's true of any prospecting your do, so I don't consider that a factor in whether this tool makes sense. That's why network marketing should always be about making YOU better, than relying on tools to do all the work for you. Tools work best when you work too, and don't expect them to replace you in the process. If calling prospects is part of the routine, and this tool allows you to call more prospects, that's a good thing. Calling all the prospects in the world won't help if you're opportunity sucks, or if you're not good at presenting it personally or using tools.
Remember, after you're done deploying all the presentation tools in your arsenal, when the day is done, people are joining you in business, so YOU have to be the one to bring something to the table. If not, all the tools in the world won't save you from failure.
Warmest regards,
Glenn K. Garnes
P.S. When will they come out with a tool that automates the process of helping people to understand the importance of training and personal development? We need a system that pops up and says go read "Think and Grow Rich", or stopping gossiping about your team members, or stop spamming forums and go sponsor someone the right way.
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Posted: Wed Jan 11th, 2006 05:32 pm |
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I wasn't aware...but it was pointed out...that their "policy" says something like although they scrub to the DNC list they won't make any guarantees. And that any repercussions for a "bad" number are the responsibility of the user. Ouch!! That could be a huge fine. Like $50,000 or something?
Also...they have an annual payment for users/members. It's not a 1 time buy of the software. That makes it much more expensive. I guess it feeds their comp plan?
Plus...you're paying for all the calls you make. With 1,000s of calls a month even through VoIP (they require you to use theirs...can't pick your own like Packet8 unlimited flat rate or whatever) that can really add up fast. Try figuring your ROI of cost to the revenue of a converted lead and see if it makes business sense then. I don't think it does.
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Posted: Wed Jan 11th, 2006 11:47 pm |
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Yes,
I pay .05 per voice mail. I work with a biz that pays me $1000 per sale. My ROI is fantastic. I'll gladly pay a few hundred a month to make my calls and just pick up the phone to talk with people who are asking for more info, rather than spending my time making cold calls.
Time is money.
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The Good Life 4U2
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Posted: Thu Jan 12th, 2006 02:12 am |
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Some great info here.
Keep it comin...and thanks everyone.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12th, 2006 11:13 am |
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I bought the software yesterday from my upline. I bought the 1499 package and I plan on personally working it, sharing leads with my dl, and possibly setting up a lead co-op.
I've got about a 50 broker downline (I'm an SRSD with Ameriplan), so I'll serve as a good test case for the forum. I do a variety of other things as well, so I'm hoping this will serve as an adjunct to my other businesses.
The 25k leads a week is also interesting. My feedback on them (from other people) is that they are as good as your typical opt in leads. I can't say I know this from personal experience yet.
If nothing else, I've heard wonderful things about their contact management package. americam is good, I suppose, but I've heard Gold is much better. Again, time will tell.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12th, 2006 12:52 pm |
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John, my understanding is that the 25k leads are just names and phone numbers. They aren't categorized as having responded to ANY kind of offer (business or otherwise). Which makes sense considering that GC is marketing their product as a way to pitch ANY product or service (lawyers, software, cell phones, etc.)
If that's true, the leads are just names and numbers. No different than calling from a phone book. So, your response rate for a home business won't be as good as a list of people who have actually requested information on making money at home.
Keep us posted!
Tony
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Posted: Thu Jan 12th, 2006 04:01 pm |
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Ok,
I don't want to make this a lengthy discussion about what it is or isn't before I actually run the product. but, it has been represented to me that the 25k are biz opp seekers; the equilvalent to the .50-1.00 leads you'd buy online, NOT people out of the phone book. Everyone with the company/my upline has told me the same thing.
Basically, depending on the quality of your script and presntation, you should expect a response rate of .5 to 3% or so, so for every broadcast of 1000 names you could get 5-30 calls. I realize that is a big difference, and I'll tell you how it goes once I do my first campaign. you pay only for the voicemails you get, so it would not seem overly expensive at .05 per response.
The filter runs against all the DNC call lists, si it would seem that you would rarely call someone on a DNC list. I'm on a DNC list, and I occasionally get calls, so I'm not saying anything is perfect, but it seems that are taking reasonable and ethical provisions against it. since these are biz opp people to begin with, they have opted in at some point.
But look, I'm not representing myself as an expert here. I will share information as I get it, and by doing such I hope to learn, and yes if it makes me money as a way of doing business and I reasonably think it would for you, then I'll be glad to sell it to you!
I'll post what happens to me; if it isn't a good fit I'll tell you.
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Posted: Fri Jan 13th, 2006 06:06 pm |
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Hi,
Just curious; what is your response rate? do you put a sizzle line on yours? I ran my first call; pretty generic home biz atuff, machine answer only.
Do you do machine answer only or some combination of machine and live answer?
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Posted: Sat Jan 14th, 2006 12:31 am |
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Personally, I'm staying far away from this one, specifically because of the legal aspects...
First of all, "Federal law prohibits, with limited exceptions, calls to any wireless telephone number using an automatic dialing system or an artificial or prerecorded message."
-Since many people register and/or sign up for information and business opportunities with their cell phone numbers, any marketing or sales call placed to those numbers is illegal, and therefore, subject to some pretty hefty fines!
And further, "Under the DNC rules, sellers or telemarketers will not be liable for violating the DNC rules if they can demonstrate that they have made a good faith effort to comply with the rules and follow certain procedures, including accessing the DNC database no more than 31 days before the call."
And that's the clincher right there. If you use GC, YOU are the "seller," NOT them...So if you're not actually accessing the Do-Not-Call database on your own, you're violating the rules as well. And with fines up to $11,000 per incident, it's simply not worth it to me.
Also, if you're calling someone via an autodialer or prerecorded message to sell or market something, by law you must provide them with a toll-free phone number on which to call you back.
Anyway, those are a few of the issues that arise here. Personally, I wouldn't touch this one with a ten foot pole. And not that they're a bad company at all, it's just that the fines for a DNC list violation are so big.
Aar n
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The Good Life 4U2
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Posted: Sat Jan 14th, 2006 01:20 am |
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Excellent. We are getting a lot of response to this thread. I am still leaning toward a purchase soon.
It will be interesting to see actual results and methods used. Though just a tool...this is seemingly more then just an on-the-surface fad or system that has no real value.
The idea of No Cold Calling and or eliminating literally hours out of one's day from dialing...dialing...dialing...makes this continually worth finding out the real deal.
Thanks everyone for the input...keep it coming and let's really put this through the test.
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Posted: Sat Jan 14th, 2006 01:29 am |
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I've run a couple of calls out today; all answering only. I'd say my reponse rate is in the low end. Also, the system filters out tons of your numbers, so roughly 80-85% are not called at all. I have just done basic lead pulls.
The system allows you to pull from lists like former Excel people, etc. I'm going to attend some marketing calls now that I know it works, at least functionally.
And yes, they have a one up commission structure. Once I'm sure it work and is cost effective, I'll introduce it to my dl. I'll probably be a fairly passive reseller of the system, in hopes of eventually breaking even on the software.
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Posted: Sat Jan 14th, 2006 02:30 am |
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The company scrubs the list minutes before calling, eliminating cell phones and numbers on the DNC list. You get a report back immediately telling you the results of the dial. You get in a report to your email box.
My numbers have been pretty consistent.
10,000 import will yeild 5000 dials leaving 1000 messages resulting in about 35 calls back.
I only leave messages- no one likes to hear a recording. The people who call me back are not aware that I didnt actually make the call.
One thing that people arent considering - when you buy a lead list do YOU scrub them before you dial? Nope, you dial through bad numbers, wrong numbers, fax machines, leave a ton of messages, and hopefully talk to a few live people.
CG is really not just about the autodialer, nor is it about leads. The leads just happen to be free when you buy the software. They are a bonus.
I have a link to a demo video that is really good. if you want it, PM me.
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